Did Rose murder Jack in the Titanic drowning scene? - Science vs Hollywood (2024)

Whether it is because people are trying to spoil one of the greatest romantic movies, or they are just trying to convince themselves that Jack (Leonardo DiCaprio) was really supposed to die, the debate about the scene when Rose (Kate Winslet) drops Jack into the sea is still going on. The question everyone is asking is, whether there was enough space on wooden furniture that Rose was laying on for Jack. It has even provoked the famous MythBusters to put that situation to a test.

Their test proved that both Rose and Jack could have survived if they were to tie the life vest under the wooden furniture; this would have given them more buoyancy and kept them safe on the water surface. This is not a debate on what could have happened, but what did happen. While the MythBusters were testing every scientific statement about this scene, they assumed that Jack was already dead when the lifeboat came back. Rather than continue the debate, we can ask, “Was Jack actually dead?” and to give an answer to that, we first need to check two crucial things: what is hypothermia and makes a person float or sink?

Hypothermia and surviving the cold

Hypothermia is a condition in which the body core temperature drops below the minimum level required for normal body function. If a person is exposed to the cold and the body is not able to replenish the heat that is lost, then core temperature gets lower. Hypothermia is often defined as any body temperature below 35.0°C (95.0°F). With this method it is divided into degrees of severity based on the core temperature[1]. Core temperature, also called core body temperature, is the operating temperature of an organism, specifically in deep structures of the body such as the liver. Temperature examination in the rectum is the best standard measurement used to estimate core temperature.

Hypothermia Classification
Swiss SystemSymptomsDegreeTemperature
Stage 1Awake and shiveringMild32–35°C (90–95°F)
Stage 2Drowsy and not shiveringModerate28–32°C (82–90°F)
Stage 3Unconscious, not shiveringSevere20–28 °C (68–82 °F)
Stage 4No vital signsProfound<20 °C (68 °F)

When it is not possible to determine an accurate core temperature, as it is in our case, the Swiss staging is preferred. This divides hypothermia based on the presenting symptoms into 4 different stages. At Stage 1 (35-32 °C; 95-92 °F) a person is awake and shivering. As the core temperature lowers, a person enters Stage 2 (32-28 °C; 90-82 °F) to become drowsy and stop shivering. At Stage 3 (28-24 °C; 82-75 °F) person falls unconscious and at the final stage, Stage 4 (bellow 24 °C; 75 °F) death occurs.

One of the lowest documented body temperatures that a person has recovered from is 13.7 °C (56.7 °F). On 20 May 1999, while skiing in the mountains outside of Narvik (Norway), Anna Bågenholm, lost control of her skis and fell through ice on a frozen stream. She had been stuck for 80 minutes when the rescue team freed and transported her to the Tromsø University Hospital.

Stage 3 or Stage 4?

But now we should return to the movie and see what we can conclude. In the scene after Rose climbs on the wooden furniture, we see Rose and Jack shivering; they have entered Stage 1 hypothermia. While we cannot tell exactly how much time had passed and what stage they have entered when the life boat returns to look for survivors, we can look for some telltale clues. We see Rose is conscious and lying down as she looks to the stars and sings. Here Rose has left Stage 1 and entered Stage 2 as she is no longer shivering. But how about Jack? Jack’s eyes are closed. He is also not shivering or moving at all which means he is either unconscious or dead—he is in either Stage 3 or Stage 4. As death is the only symptom of Stage 4, we must look closer for signs of Stage 3.

Following the decrease of temperature, physiological systems continue to falter; heart rate, respiratory rate, and blood pressure all decrease. Difficulty speaking, sluggish thinking and amnesia start to appear. Inability to use hands and stumbling are also usually present. Below 30°C (86°F), the exposed skin becomes blue and puffy, muscle coordination is very poor, and walking almost impossible. Pulse and respiration rates decrease significantly[2]. All these are symptoms of Stage 3. So if Jack was unconscious, the only way to test it was to check his pulse. As Rose did not do this, we cannot answer that question based on the stages of hypothermia. We can just watch the scene again and let the sad emotions overflow us. Rose separates their hands, gently pushes Jack into the water while he slowly sinks into the deep, blue ocean… But, wait a minute! He sinks?!

The Physics of Buoyancy

If you have ever tried to relax on the water’s surface then you know that your body floats, without having to move a single muscle. This can be explained by Archimedes’ Principle. An object with lower density than water will float on the surface while one with heavier density sinks. The adult human body consists of about 60% water but its density is close to that of water and the reason why we can both float and sink. This difference in density is due to air in our lungs; the more air in our lungs, the better we float.

People drown when they start to panic, which makes them to breathe water in and exhale air. When certain amount of air leaves and enough water enters the lungs, body becomes denser than water is and a person sinks. The ratio of water and air inside the lungs needed to achieve that density is different for every person and depends on many small factors such as, volume, percentage of body fat, water temperature, salinity, etc. But what if you drop, into water, a body that is already dead, would it sink or float? Scientist and doctors who work on organ transplantation have shown that air remains inside the lungs few hours after death occurs. This allows doctors to transplant lungs and make them active again few hours after the death of owner. That is also how pathologists can tell whether a person was drowned or was dead before hitting the water; if you drop a body post-mortem, it would definitely float.

This means that if Jack was dead when Rose pushed him under water, then he would have immediately floated back to the surface. But if he was unconscious, he would have breathed water into lungs and eventually sink, which is the case. This shows that Jack was in Stage 3, unconscious, and very much alive.

Ending the debate

As Stage 3 symptoms are very similar to death, Rose failed to check properly if Jack was alive when she pushed him under water. Was there anyone else unconscious in the water who could have been saved? We cannot know for certain as every other person in the scene was wearing a life vest. We don’t know if Jack could recover from hypothermia if he had been rescued either. We just cannot tell for sure but we are sure of two things. First, knowledge of science could have saved more lives that terrifying night and second we can conclude this debate once and forever:

Even though it was probably not intention, Rose killed Jack!

Further Reading

[1] Marx, John (2006). Rosen's emergency medicine: concepts and clinical practice.
[2] Brown, DJ; Brugger, H; Boyd, J; Paal, P (Nov 15, 2012). "Accidental hypothermia.". The New England Journal of Medicine.

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Did Rose murder Jack in the Titanic drowning scene? - Science vs Hollywood (2024)

FAQs

Did Jack freeze or drown? ›

So Jack would have frozen to death, not the kind of frozen you will find if you've been out in the snow and died of exposure type frozen.

Why did Rose push Jack into the water? ›

Jack dies from hypothermia hanging on the door, and Rose must decide whether to call for help or stay and freeze with Jack. After a moment of hesitation, Rose tearfully pushes Jack off the door and watches him slowly sink down.

Is the final scene in Titanic Rose dying? ›

Titanic ends with Rose dropping the diamond into the ocean and then going to sleep, which is largely interpreted as her death. After the camera pans over her sleeping peacefully, Rose is transported back into the Titanic with Jack and everyone who died on the ship.

Was there enough room for Jack on the door? ›

In the first test, Cameron disproves the fan theory that there was simply enough room on the raft for both Jack and Rose to survive. While there is enough room for “Jack and Rose to get on the raft, they're now both submerged in dangerous levels of freezing water,” Cameron observed.

Was Jack dead when Rose pushed him? ›

This means that if Jack was dead when Rose pushed him under water, then he would have immediately floated back to the surface. But if he was unconscious, he would have breathed water into lungs and eventually sink, which is the case. This shows that Jack was in Stage 3, unconscious, and very much alive.

Why did Jack not drown? ›

Since he is a Devil Fruit user, he has lost the ability to swim, but because he is a fish-man, he can breathe underwater. Though, he still would not be able to move if he falls into the water. As a Zoan, this power grants him a significant boost to his physical abilities, granting him immense strength and size.

Could Rose have saved Jack? ›

Consequently, Cameron discovered Jack may have survived if Rose had given him her life jacket to insulate him from the freezing waters of the Atlantic and protect his vital organs. Despite DiCaprio's character's potential survival, Cameron maintains his death was necessary for the plot of Titanic.

Did Rose try to save Jack? ›

But as Rose, lying atop the door and wearing a life jacket, tries to wake him, she realizes he's dead. And ever since Jack disappeared into the dark waters, fans have argued that he could've survived if he'd gotten on the door beside Rose.

Would Jack have survived if Rose stayed on the lifeboat? ›

Co-hosts Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman conducted their own experiment and concluded that both Jack and Rose could have shared the raft and survived, provided they propped their upper bodies upright and figured out how to attach Rose's life jacket underneath it to increase the buoyancy.

Did Rose marry after Jack died? ›

Rose changed her last name to "Dawson" to honor Jack's memory after the sinking of the Titanic. Rose completely started over and never contacted her mother and Cal again after the sinking. Rose became a successful actress in the 1920s and eventually married a man named Calvert.

Is Real Rose from Titanic still alive? ›

Rose was not a real person. The film rose died in 1996 in her sleep at the age of 100 (turning 101 “next month”) the film tells us.

What was Rose lying on at the end of Titanic? ›

And when the Titanic hits an iceberg and sinks to the bottom of the ocean, Jack performs one final act of love: He helps Rose onto a floating wooden board—and remains in the freezing water beside her. Rose makes it. Jack doesn't. Over the past 25 years, the gesture has racked up a whole lot of skepticism.

Is Jack in room a girl? ›

Room is a 2010 novel by Irish-Canadian author Emma Donoghue. The story is told from the perspective of a five-year-old boy, Jack, who is being held captive in a small room along with his mother.

Why didn't Rose make room for Jack? ›

In an interview with Vanity Fair, Cameron was asked directly, "Why doesn't Rose make room for Jack on the door?" To which he replied, "And the answer is very simple because it says on page 147 [of the script] that Jack dies.

Did Jack freeze to death in the Titanic? ›

Left in the freezing water by her side, he quickly succumbs to hypothermia after saying his tearful goodbyes. Fans, the stars themselves, and even the Mythbusters team have all posited ways in which Jack could have survived in the years since the film's release in 1997.

How long was Jack in the water before he died? ›

As Cameron said in the Daily Beast interview, he would have had to spend time tying it underneath, so that it wouldn't just pop up from under the board and float away. The show went into full detail, pronouncing Jack dead in the freezing water at 51 minutes if he hadn't tried to get on the board.

Is there any way Jack could have survived? ›

If Rose, at this point, gave Jack her life jacket while they're both balancing on the raft, with only their lower legs underwater, they could have lasted a few hours and survived. “Final verdict: Jack might have lived,” confesses a smirking Cameron, “but there's a lot of variables.”

Could Jack have survived hypothermia? ›

Jack was not in an ice bath. He was in the Atlantic Ocean that was at subzero temperatures. He wouldn't have been okay once the ice melted because it never would have melted and the ocean wasn't going to get any warmer. Once you're in freezing water that long you will get hypothermia and die.

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