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Photo: Richard Butler
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At the core, both Sony's a7R V and Leica's SL 3 share a fundamental building block: a 60MP BSI CMOS sensor. But almost everything layered on top of that foundation diverges in radically different directions. With the SL3 having dropped earlier this week, we decided to take a look at this pair in detail.
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Sony a7R V:
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Photo: Richard Butler
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At the core, both Sony's a7R V and Leica's SL 3 share a fundamental building block: a 60MP BSI CMOS sensor. But almost everything layered on top of that foundation diverges in radically different directions. With the SL3 having dropped earlier this week, we decided to take a look at this pair in detail.
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Sony a7R V:
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Leica SL3:
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\n$6995 at B&H Photo\n $6995 at Adorama\n\n
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Built around the same sensor, these two cameras take different approaches.
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How they're similar: The main similarity, and primary basis for comparison between these two cameras, is the sensor they share. The 60MP BSI CMOS sensor in each is almost certainly the same, produced by industry juggernaut Sony Semiconductor Solutions. As such, both have comparable image quality, and both can do 8K video, with some caveats and differences we'll get into.
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Where they differ: The Sony has better stabilization, rated for 3 extra stops of IBIS (8 EV to Leica's 5). The a7R V also has a multi-shot pixel shift high-res mode, which is somewhat unwieldy in that it requires post-processing on a computer, but the Leica has no comparable mode at all, so there may be some niches where this gives the Sony an advantage.
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The SL3 can technically shoot faster, up to 15fps (at 12-bit, using the e-shutter, with focus and exposure locked at the first frame). That's a higher rate than the a7R V's 10fps max, but Leica’s speed tops out at a sluggish 4fps if you want AF and full bit-depth, which the Sony will deliver at its highest speed, so long as you don't want to shoot compressed Raw.
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Built around the same sensor, these two cameras take different approaches.
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How they're similar: The main similarity, and primary basis for comparison between these two cameras, is the sensor they share. The 60MP BSI CMOS sensor in each is almost certainly the same, produced by industry juggernaut Sony Semiconductor Solutions. As such, both have comparable image quality, and both can do 8K video, with some caveats and differences we'll get into.
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Where they differ: The Sony has better stabilization, rated for 3 extra stops of IBIS (8 EV to Leica's 5). The a7R V also has a multi-shot pixel shift high-res mode, which is somewhat unwieldy in that it requires post-processing on a computer, but the Leica has no comparable mode at all, so there may be some niches where this gives the Sony an advantage.
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The SL3 can technically shoot faster, up to 15fps (at 12-bit, using the e-shutter, with focus and exposure locked at the first frame). That's a higher rate than the a7R V's 10fps max, but Leica’s speed tops out at a sluggish 4fps if you want AF and full bit-depth, which the Sony will deliver at its highest speed, so long as you don't want to shoot compressed Raw.
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The Sony a7R V sports a wonderland of buttons and dials.
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How they're similar: Both the Leica and the Sony are interchangeable-lens cameras with protruding handgrip, external buttons and dials, and an articulating screen. Both are moisture and dust resistant, but not fully weather sealed. However, while the Sony is stated as being resistant, the Leica is certified to the IP54 standard.
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How they're different: While both cameras share the same general form, they each take it to a different extreme. The a7R V, with its numerous dials and buttons, takes a \"more is more\" approach to design. If you might ever want to do it, there's a button for it, somewhere.
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The Leica SL3 takes a much more reserved and focused approach, going back to the drawing board with its design. There are just enough dials for the three fundamental settings (shutter speed, aperture, and ISO), but far more emphasis on the clever, clean and customizable UI on its tilting screen.
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The Sony a7R V sports a wonderland of buttons and dials.
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How they're similar: Both the Leica and the Sony are interchangeable-lens cameras with protruding handgrip, external buttons and dials, and an articulating screen. Both are moisture and dust resistant, but not fully weather sealed. However, while the Sony is stated as being resistant, the Leica is certified to the IP54 standard.
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How they're different: While both cameras share the same general form, they each take it to a different extreme. The a7R V, with its numerous dials and buttons, takes a \"more is more\" approach to design. If you might ever want to do it, there's a button for it, somewhere.
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The Leica SL3 takes a much more reserved and focused approach, going back to the drawing board with its design. There are just enough dials for the three fundamental settings (shutter speed, aperture, and ISO), but far more emphasis on the clever, clean and customizable UI on its tilting screen.
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The SL3's autofocus options are fewer than the a7R V's.
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Where they're similar: Both cameras feature phase-detection autofocus with a variety of smart-recognition modes.
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Where they differ: The a7R V's autofocus is excellent, with a broad range of subject recognition modes that sit on top of one of the more tenatious tracking systems on the market, snapping to specified subjects that are in proximity to an AF area. Each layer of the system is individually tunable, adding complexity, but for the most part it just works.
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We still need to do more testing with the SL3's autofocus, it's Leica's first use of on-sensor phase detection and offers smaller selection of options for subject recognition mode, one of which was still designated as \"beta\" at launch. It's behaved well in our usage so far but we've not yet had a chance to really challenge it, as we have with the a7R V.
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The SL3's autofocus options are fewer than the a7R V's.
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Where they're similar: Both cameras feature phase-detection autofocus with a variety of smart-recognition modes.
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Where they differ: The a7R V's autofocus is excellent, with a broad range of subject recognition modes that sit on top of one of the more tenatious tracking systems on the market, snapping to specified subjects that are in proximity to an AF area. Each layer of the system is individually tunable, adding complexity, but for the most part it just works.
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We still need to do more testing with the SL3's autofocus, it's Leica's first use of on-sensor phase detection and offers smaller selection of options for subject recognition mode, one of which was still designated as \"beta\" at launch. It's behaved well in our usage so far but we've not yet had a chance to really challenge it, as we have with the a7R V.
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Both stills-focused cameras are capable of 8K video, though the quality differs.
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How they're similar: Neither the Leica SL3 or Sony a7R V are video-focused cameras, but they both have some chops and can deliver up to 8K 10-bit video in addition to 4K/60p.
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How they're different: The Leica SL3 can shoot UHD 8K up to 30p at a 1.24 crop, with a DCI 8K/30p mode as well. However, it suffers from significant rolling shutter.
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The Sony a7R V is limited to 24p for its UHD 8K, with the same 1.24 crop and similar rolling shutter numbers. But, the Sony can shoot UHD 4K at the full width of the sensor (up to 30p). The Leica’s UHD and DCI 4K modes, meanwhile, are taken from the 8K capture region meaning crops of 1.17 or worse, regardless of the framerate.
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Both stills-focused cameras are capable of 8K video, though the quality differs.
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How they're similar: Neither the Leica SL3 or Sony a7R V are video-focused cameras, but they both have some chops and can deliver up to 8K 10-bit video in addition to 4K/60p.
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How they're different: The Leica SL3 can shoot UHD 8K up to 30p at a 1.24 crop, with a DCI 8K/30p mode as well. However, it suffers from significant rolling shutter.
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The Sony a7R V is limited to 24p for its UHD 8K, with the same 1.24 crop and similar rolling shutter numbers. But, the Sony can shoot UHD 4K at the full width of the sensor (up to 30p). The Leica’s UHD and DCI 4K modes, meanwhile, are taken from the 8K capture region meaning crops of 1.17 or worse, regardless of the framerate.
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Both cameras have flexible rear screens and high-res OLED finders
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How they're similar: Both cameras have very DSLR-like designs with prominent viewfinder humps housing high-resolution finders and movable rear touchscreens.
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How they're different: The a7R V has a 9.44M dot EVF (2048 x 1536px) with 0.9x magnification, rather than the Leica's 5.76M dot (1600 x 1200px) finder with 0.76x magnification. You need to engage a 'high quality' mode to get that full resolution on the Sony, and the display becomes less detailed as you focus. The Sony has a fully-articulated rear screen on a tilting cradle, making it more flexible than the Leica's.
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Both cameras have flexible rear screens and high-res OLED finders
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How they're similar: Both cameras have very DSLR-like designs with prominent viewfinder humps housing high-resolution finders and movable rear touchscreens.
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How they're different: The a7R V has a 9.44M dot EVF (2048 x 1536px) with 0.9x magnification, rather than the Leica's 5.76M dot (1600 x 1200px) finder with 0.76x magnification. You need to engage a 'high quality' mode to get that full resolution on the Sony, and the display becomes less detailed as you focus. The Sony has a fully-articulated rear screen on a tilting cradle, making it more flexible than the Leica's.
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Sony's E-mount gives you access to a wide array of third-party options.
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How they're similar: Both the Leica and the Sony are interchangeable-lens cameras with full-frame sensors, so their lenses are broadly similar in size and weight across the various focal lengths.
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How they're different: Leica's L-mount system was designed in partnership with Panasonic and Sigma, which gives it a wide breadth of options including very high-end and pricey Leica glass as well as more mid-range and affordable options from Panasonic and Sigma.
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Sony's E-mount is the oldest full-frame mirrorless mount, meaning Sony's own suite of lenses is quite broad, the recent additions have included some excellent performers and a variety of interesting focal lengths. Sony's E-mount is also open to third parties, which means there are also loads of options from Sigma, Tokina, Tamron, Samyang, and more.
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Sony's E-mount gives you access to a wide array of third-party options.
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How they're similar: Both the Leica and the Sony are interchangeable-lens cameras with full-frame sensors, so their lenses are broadly similar in size and weight across the various focal lengths.
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How they're different: Leica's L-mount system was designed in partnership with Panasonic and Sigma, which gives it a wide breadth of options including very high-end and pricey Leica glass as well as more mid-range and affordable options from Panasonic and Sigma.
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Sony's E-mount is the oldest full-frame mirrorless mount, meaning Sony's own suite of lenses is quite broad, the recent additions have included some excellent performers and a variety of interesting focal lengths. Sony's E-mount is also open to third parties, which means there are also loads of options from Sigma, Tokina, Tamron, Samyang, and more.
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Neither is cheap, but only the Leica is a Leica.
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How they're similar: Both the SL3 and the a7R V are premium cameras. Both are serious investments that will cost you multiple thousands of dollars new or used.
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How they're different: The Leica SL3, perhaps unsurprisingly, puts a premium on premium. At a list price of $6,995, the SL3 is not fully twice as expensive as the $3,898 Sony a7R V; it's merely close. Whether or not that differential is even worth entertaining depends in large part on your preference for, or investment in, L-mount glass.
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Neither is cheap, but only the Leica is a Leica.
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How they're similar: Both the SL3 and the a7R V are premium cameras. Both are serious investments that will cost you multiple thousands of dollars new or used.
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How they're different: The Leica SL3, perhaps unsurprisingly, puts a premium on premium. At a list price of $6,995, the SL3 is not fully twice as expensive as the $3,898 Sony a7R V; it's merely close. Whether or not that differential is even worth entertaining depends in large part on your preference for, or investment in, L-mount glass.
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Introduction
Photo: Richard Butler
At the core, both Sony's a7R V and Leica's SL 3 share a fundamental building block: a 60MP BSI CMOS sensor. But almost everything layered on top of that foundation diverges in radically different directions. With the SL3 having dropped earlier this week, we decided to take a look at this pair in detail.
Sony a7R V:
Leica SL3:
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I am not interested in video so a lot of features on both cameras are useless for me. I am interested in macro photography and any quality camera should be able to automatic focus bracketing but the SL3 can't do that.(Focus stacking in camera like Olympus can do would be nice but I am fine with using Zerrene or Helicone software.)
The UI of the Sony is just terrible in contrast to Leica otherwise I would already gotten a A7CR
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2 months agopermalink
And if you can't afford 60MP 😫
You can always think of a 6MP
Kodak DCS 460 (1995) / Nikon D40 (2006)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/maoby/albums/72157717725067387/
It's just one 0 less 😂
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2 months agopermalink
Shouldn't the comparison be with like price tags? Like a Sony A1? Or maybe a Hasselblad?
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2 months agopermalink
"You need to engage a 'high quality' mode to get that full resolution on the Sony, and the display becomes less detailed as you focus."
So, I have not tried A7RV with own hands yet, but does that mean the resolution is lower whenever EVF shows live view through the lens, or only when when AF or MF is activated? So full resolution is only available in playback mode, similar to A7RIV?
I feel that manufacturers should be more transparent about these "read the fine print" limitations.
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Sony implements a resolution vs fps vs magnification trade-off. Which is not a bad solution per se and allows users to select its own combination.
Leica SL evf (an Epson unit) has outstanding effective resolution and color consistency. Probably the best evf yet available.
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2 months agopermalink
Ok, so is the resolution lower always when the live feed is shown, or only when AF-On is pressed or MF adjusted?
I ask because previously I couldn't find resolution difference in EVF between Sony and another brand camera while live feed was displayed through the EVF. This was when I tested with same focal length and cameras side by side. On paper Sony had more dots (5.7Mdot vs 3.6Mdot), but in practice it was not sharper.
It is quite annoying statement to just say that "display becomes less detailed as you focus". In my use, the EVF is used for focusing maybe 90-95% of the time, and the rest for playpack & checking images. So that would mean that EVF is showing most of the time lower resolution feed, and not what is advertised.
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The A7R4 lowers the EVF resoution during focusing. The SL2S (same EVF as the SL3) does not and the difference is quite visible.
Does that reduce the A7R4 effectivess ? Not at all in my opinione.
The A1, my current ILC, does not that and its EVF is consistently better than the SL3 unit - which stutters during panning under artificial / low light.
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2 months agopermalink
What are you photographing in such a way that it remains in the orbit of attention?
For me, its both two expensive toys.
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3 months agopermalink
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What's wrong with expensive toys? :-)
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3 months agopermalink
I asked What exactly are you photographing? that it is worth investing in them.
And your observation is partially correct. I feel quite comfortable with the 2005 camera.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67532115
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67624054
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67546868
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What am I photographing? Street, still, people, social. You need to to use one to appreciate. Same with the Fuji X100VI or the X-Pro line. Makes me look at things differently. Pause more. Different from using my Sonys, which are great cameras, too.
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One of the reasons I like using a 60 megapixel camera is that I can crop my images heavily - I can find an unexpected composition in an image shot for a different reason. I need really good lenses to do that, but there are a range of extremely good lenses available for E mount.
If you are happy with what you have, then that means you aren't tempted to spend a lot to buy new cameras and lenses - that's convenient! But it doesn't mean you have to disparage cameras that others use and enjoy.
I know someone who decided he wanted a Fuji GFX - it seemed like an odd choice, but he bought it, and he very much enjoys using it. I think it encourages him to take a measured pace to his photography (mostly landscapes). I've seen his images, and although I'd never buy one of those cameras, I see how it suits him well. He's happy!
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What do you mean by value? Everything I photograph and keep is of value to me. And taking those images with a camera that has a special quality and feel for me is part of why I enjoy my hobby. There is no "value tag" in EUROS that I can attach to that.
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I recently took my sony A7RV on a trip to Botswana. It is a fantastic still camera. I would not say the same of video. It would be okay for an amatuer like me but it is definetly not for professional video. I shot mostly under bright light with an average temperature of 100 F in the Kalahari. I hope the Lieca has better video, if not I am not sure why you would spend the extra money.
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3 months agopermalink
How does the video compare? It is remarkable that cameras today can be valid video shooters, but don't the high density sensors result in video compromises? The A7RV seems to suffer from the rolling shutter. What about the Leica? Sony's AF is also pretty hard to beat. In the end, it usually comes down to adapting to the camera most effectively rather than claims of superior features or performance. Apart from the fashion statement, photographers who also have a focus on the bottom line know that minimal equipment can translate into maximizing profit.
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Neither are video cameras, that`s plain to see - that`s what the ZV series or at the least true hybrids like A7-IV are for - the A7R5 is a fantastic day to day general purpose high resolution stills camera for work which shoots video if you have to - think modern day D850 in Sony form.
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I had the chance to shoot with the SL3 a bit at a Leica store, it felt absolutely amazing and I loved the menu system and controls (coming from a Nikon DSLR shooter) but I had a few gripes with it; the autofocus would hunt a bit, not too much but definitely more than I'd like, and I can't recommend continuous shooting with this camera, the framerate definitely felt leisurely and the viewfinder lags a great deal when panning. For uses other than those with fast action it seemed to perform very well in the little time I had with it!
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3 months agopermalink
I much prefer the rendering of the 35/2 Leica L lens to the 35/1.4GM of Sony, unfortunately my wallet has different tastes,
LEICA SL3 delivers ace card appealing to that select club. Meanwhile we wait for the LUMIX DC-S1R replacement for direct comparison. LUMIX S lenses like new superzoom 28-200 f4 worth considering? Sony G lenses heavier and more expensive. Canon R1?
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3 months agopermalink
An Otus will likely outperform them all. Also try some Voigtlander glass. People have been successfully shooting manual focus lenses for over 100 years.
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3 months agopermalink
These comparisons are meaningless unless you compare the system resolution and color delta of the two cameras using the companies respective lenses.
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3 months agopermalink
Why not comparing with a same Sigma lens used on both systems? As the same sensor is used, the RAW files should contain the same data...
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Why not use a common lens? Because camera companies produce systems, equipment fine tuned by engineers to get the most out of each other.
It is more useful to see how the company optimized its lenses, camera bodies, sensors, speedlights, and other accessories to work together.
Almost always there are tradeoffs when using third-party equipment. And with the introduction of mirrorless the camera makers have redesigned their entire system so let’s give them a chance before we start throwing wild cards into the mix.
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3 months agopermalink
@ IdM photography same sensor doesn't equal same data at all. The sensor gives potential, and what comes out of that depends on the signal processing. If the camera manufacturer does it's own signal processing, the same sensor can deliver very different data. And signal processing is both: hardware and software.
In the end these comparisons are fun entertainment but shouldn't be taken very serious. Tech specs also don't reflect real life camera performance. To really get to know the potential of camera a level of experience is needed which is beyond what dpreview or anybody else can offer for a wide variety of cameras. But some people love to battle about tech specs even more than actually shooting the thing so there is something for everybody in it.
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Good to see the new SL3 but not for me. I'll be more interested if there's an updated SL3S variant down the line though - but mainly because that might make a used SL2S more affordable!
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The Dark horse in all this is Panasonic. What ARE they going to do. Shall we see the S2R with the same or better AF options as has the S5II but a 60MP sensor? It might be worth waiting to find out too if any of them can restore the sweep Panorama options they once had (Sony A7RII and Leica Q2) but with 8K height resolution (like an old LG7 phone!) and better processing, because we are after all interested in creating great pictures, no?
These guys need to begin again to think outside the 3:2 and other confining boxes, because to be fair at the moment everybody is just making higher iso quality pictures better without any other real VISUAL advances possible.
Sweep panoramas ADD another means of expression, and another format , AND another way of working with the same machinery, that only requires decent software given the great processing these pro cameras already have, and so IF Panasonic out a sweep equipped S2R they might (polite cough) yet sweep the board..
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I keep thinking the same thing! Based on the S5 II and the market, I'd have imagined the next S1 having 8k (not that I think it's needed) and no-crop 4k60. This sensor doesn't seem like it can do much with the 8K sensor though, and the readout speed isn't anything to write home about. Based on the Leica, it would also be vastly slower as a photo camera than S1/R. When it was announced, I thought the sensor from the A7 IV might have been viable - finally an IMX410 replacement - but in reality it doesn't seem like there's much in the way of tangible benefits for video. Maybe the 46mp sensor that Nikon's been using would be a better do-all solution.
I'm curious if they will now just have a different strategy, and go with S5II for video and "S1 II" for photo. The S5 II X though, as great as it is, is not an S1H replacement (body-wise). I just don't see there being a case where Panasonic would consider a rebranded version of what's in the SL3 as being a worthy upgrade. So we'll see.
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3 months agopermalink
Dang with all the intrusive spell help these days how does one manage to misspell tenacious?
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After trying the A7RV at a Sony event, 8 can't wait for used models to drop below $2K. It's just a huge step forward from my A7RIII in responsiveness, ergos, AF, and viewing detail.
The SL3 and Leica lenses are so far outside of my price range that it might as well be made out of diamonds.
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3 months agopermalink
Have both 4 and 5, and for my purposes, regard them as identical except for the AF tracking, in particular birds WITHIN bushes, and tracking BIF (once the still annoying hunting locks on).
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I would prefer the 5 for the articulating screen, other improved ergonomics, and better AF. It's better to grab the whole solution than half-upgrade and miss key features.
On my A7RIII the lack of screen mobility in portrait mode drives me nuts.
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3 months agopermalink
I have both a Sony A7 CR and a Leica TL2. Both wonderful cameras and I cannot handle anything that weighs more than they do. For me, weight is everything.
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3 months agopermalink
In terms of aesthetics, the SL3 looks brutish and almost clumsy in its design, very far from the attractive styling of their rangefinder style cameras. As for cost, Leicas are simply not good value for money and I would choose a Sony A7RV in preference every time, far cheaper and an autofocus system that I’m sure will outperform the SL3.
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That ‘Leica’ logo is very ‘shouty’, isn’t it? Just because there’s a lot of space doesn’t mean a graphics designer must fill it. It’s a strange design decision when you compare it to the ‘Leicons’ , one which I don’t understand.
Unless Leica feels some necessity to ensure the owner can be admired (or envied?) by others a 100m away?
(Oh, let’s be honest: I think it’s ugly, too.)
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I think "admired" would be rare, I suspect the common reaction would be "look at that dork showing of with a camera, must be a dinosaur".
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3 months agopermalink
The A7r5 VF is absolutely superb when using manal focus lenses. Took me sometime to fully appreciate it, but I cant go back to anything less.
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The real difference between these two mirror less cameras, both having the same sensor, is in their lenses. It would be good to see a comparison between the Sony FE 50mm F1.2 GM and the Leica APO-SUMMICRON-SL 50 f / 2 ASPH, approximately the same weight, the Sony is 1.47 times faster but the Leica APO has that amazing contrast.
I used a Sony a7RIV together with 50mm FI.2 GM at two weddings recently great results how would the Leica SL3 with the APO have fared?
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When you look for contrast ... try Sony/Zeiss 50mm 1.4? Or even 55/1.8?
These are older lenses but the Zeiss coating does it's magic. Even the 1635/4 has really good contrast.
On the other side - when you stop down the 50/1.2 to F2 ... it should be pretty perfect too?
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3 months agopermalink
I tried both a7v and sl2s and would take the new sl3 over the Sony every day of the week. Sony is a fantastic camera but the extra options iit has won’t do much for my photography but the leica just feels so much more fun to shoot with and it’s a very capable camera (again for what I shoot ). Lovely piece of gear
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Right, so "much more fun" in that context?
I've always regarded the camera as somewhat of an afterthought when doing studio work. The art and the fun is in setting up and lighting the frame. Pushing the button at the end.
The reasoning fails imo. But, of course, that's OK. It's just my opinion.
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The Sony a7R V is “the poor man’s Leica SL3”.
One is made in Thailand the other in Germany.
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The 1997 Toyota Camry 4 cylinder sedan is still considered "the Forever Car" by many auto mechanics. The one I had, outlasted my friend's previous four Kias combined. She now has a Camry, as well.
Can't argue with modern SK cars in terms of bang for the buck, but if you desire to not crack the valve cover for 350k miles, then Toyota is still your jam.
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I own a sony and a leica. Not the two here but a Sony RX100 VI and a Leica CL.
The Sony is an excellent camera and ideal for travel which is what I use it for. Its small, takes great pictures in good to average light. Its a bit small but very functional.
The Leica CL is a bit bigger, it takes stunning pictures when I get it right. Both are very useful but using the Leica is far more satisfying to use for a variety of reasons.
Its probably the same with the two full frame cameras being compared. The Sony is better spec'd and very capable but based on my experience the Leica will bring more joy.
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Analogy:
I own the A7R V and like it like a girlfriend
If I owned the SL3, I will fall in love and marry it till death do us apart
But I also love my Hasselblad X2d 100C so no divorce to get the Leica.
Sticking to the Hassy and A7R V
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@pollub depends what you use the camera for off course, there's absolutely nothing as good as the X2D 100c both from results and beauty for Landscapes, Fashion, Architecture. As for the speed and athleticism, the A7R V as by far better than the bulky and bloated Leica at half the price. Keeping in mind that Sony makes the Leica's sensor.
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If Leica didn't exist, what would be the pleasure of breaking into camera stores?
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I am not getting either one. If I get the Leica I am considered smug even if I carry it discreetly and never say a word. If I get the “Yeah, but my Sony…” I have to deal with anxiety anytime anyone else releases something.
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One is made in Germany! (Daily use at all times! EFFORTLESSLY meets ALL professional requirements! )
The other is NOT made in Germany.... (Not daily use at all times...?, not professional?)
"Fully Sealed Housing Made in Germany. The Leica SL3 impresses with its robust construction, designed to withstand the challenges of daily use at all times. "
"The strengths of each technology are combined into a highly precise system that effortlessly meets all professional requirements. "
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This Leica will not be a collector's item like the cameras of yore considering the rapid and severe depreciation, but I have no doubt a buyer will get a lot of satisfaction and fine images from using it. Super-expensive digital cameras may be a good investment if one has extra discretionary money (rich enough to throw money out the window), or if one is a social climber that wants to boost one's perceived status to a circle of friends.
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3 months agopermalink
Leica pricing is getting more realistic by the day .. or is it other manufacturers that follow the Leica pricing model?
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3 months agopermalink
Leica is definitely not lowering their prices.
Other companies are moving upwards in their pricing. It's the way to compete in the smartphone era, where you make up for lower volume with higher prices. Also the ones who want a camera other than their smartphone tend to be the dedicated enthusiasts who actually want the more advanced and hence more expensive gear.
All camera companies will end up competing like Leica, because that is the way to success in a relatively low volume market.
Also like Leica, increasingly companies will have to compete on user experience, because that will be the reason most will buy a dedicated camera. Smartphones have gotten so good, and all dedicated cameras are so good technically, that the differentiator ends up being user experience.
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3 months agopermalink
The M is still very expensive, and the Q as well. The Q3 would be a perfect second body. I would really, really love it. If it was 20% cheaper, it would be more realistically overpriced for me and I would seriously consider it.
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3 months agopermalink
There are plenty of other cameras out there that use the same 60mp Sony sensor. I own the Sigma fp L, introduced 3 years ago for $2499. It has no EVF but you can buy one for it for $700 or get it kitted with a new body for $2999. Because of cost, I use an optical loupe instead.
This camera might be the lowest cost way to get the sensor. Keep in mind it uses only electronic shutter; there are no moving parts in this camera other than pushbuttons and thumbwheels. Flash sync is 1/10th second. It has a lot of flexibility for video use also, but I use it for stills.
In spite of the limitations of the Sigma fp L, it delivers great images even when there is significant motion in the subject matter or when using it hand-held. Not a good idea to use it for action or sports though.
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3 months agopermalink
Might be worth mentioning in the Lens slide that ALL Sigma's 'L'-mount lenses are also offered in E-mount.
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I like the Leica. I like all Leicas and their lenses. Never owned one, probably never will. I just admire them from afar. In camera stores, they see me coming and lock the case because I want to hold them for hours but never buy anything but lens cleaner.
I like to put one in a cart at several online retailers and then watch the reminder emails roll in, "oops, did you forget something? Complete your transaction..."
At the camera shops, I buy a Sony but I tell them, "My camera's a Leica. This is for my brother..."
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3 months agopermalink
If you’re too poor to buy a Sony, you could still buy the LFI - Leica Fotografie International - magazine. The best and relatively cheap photography magazine, very good printing quality, cross-financed by all these rich bourgeois people, who can afford the wonderful Leica cameras and lenses.
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Not helpful at all for action and wildlife since you can't use continuous autofocus when shooting medium fast bursts with the overpriced camera. I would rather prefer crops from tack sharp photos than lots of out-of-focus blurred teleconverter shots ... with larger image scale on the sensor, the blur would be even worse.
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3 months agopermalink
I have another difference: You can use the Sigma 500/5.6 on the Leica WITH teleconverters!
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3 months agopermalink
A bit of a humorless bunch here. Of course the Leica is the clear winner, by a country mile.
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3 months agopermalink
I am sure the people who complain about Leica with so much noise, all wear supermarket clothing, avoid any brands in their life, pick the cheapest car and only eat at Subway.
I mean, if they like certain brands and prefer premium things, that would make them hypocrites, right?
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3 months agopermalink
Subway isn't the cheap option, at least around here. I'd go with food truck any day-more food, less money, and high quality because it's an individual or family versus a mega-Corporation.
There's a great one in Issaquah that's taken up residence in the lumber supply yard parking lot. Their quesadillas can't be beat!
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I think it’s rather disingenuous to attribute some kind of ‘German precision manufacturing’ specifically to Leica. Like any other modern camera, Leicas are packed with electronic components, ribbon cables and pcbs, few, if any, of which are likely to be made even in Europe.
(In 2021, pre-Covid, so it may have changed somewhat, 46% of Sony’s components overall, by their own report, were made in China, only 8% in Europe.)
If you look at Leica’s own ‘purchasing teams’ you get a clue: they have teams for purchasing:
“OEM/ODM products; printing, rubber, synthetics; mechanical and semi-finished products; cast/stamped parts; bare and assembled pcb’s and electronic components; cable, batteries; software.“ Add a sensor from Sony Semiconductors (Shanghai, but new factory being built in Japan) and that doesn’t leave a lot. . .
I’m not disputing the finished quality of a Leica, though I only have experience of the 35mm rangefinders, but they’re mostly ‘assembled’ in Germany, not ‘made’.
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3 months agopermalink
That’s unfair. The Made in Germany is well deserved. That they have survived, and even thrived, is crazy.
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It's silly, til you use the Leica. I'm far too cash-strapped to afford one, but they are rather spectacular in hand. This isn't a bang-for-the-buck camera, it's a quite possibly lifetime investment.
I shoot Fuji and they're great, the Japanese camera companies have narrowed the gap by a lot. Still though, the Leica really is extra.
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IIRC the A7rV can't do pre-buffering, it's one of its big annoyances (nor can the A1, which is even odder, just the A9III), so image capture doesn't start until after your brain notices there's something to do and tells the finger to press the button. Can the SL3 (or does the slow shooting rate make it a bit pointless anyway)?
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@mick232
SmartPhones cameras are using that trick as well and it's been a helpful thing for years for me when traveling - in fact my iPhone 14 partly replaced the need for any further camera when traveling and the future will proof that a smartphone is in fact the better camera - with ML and computational photography there is no doubt that smartphones will be the future of photography - there are however niches where real cameras yield much better results:
• Ultra wide lenses
• Ultra fast lenses
• Ultra long ( fast ) lenses
• Ultra zoom lenses
I guess you get the point - for the day to day photography smartphones have their merits and probably not dedicated cameras will top that in normal use cases at good light.
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For the avoidance of doubt my question was whether the SL3 had this feature, as it would be a point of differentiation, rather going down a rabbit hole of whether it's a useful feature and how useful etc. I wouldn't buy an expensive camera without it these days.
My main wildlife camera doesn't have this and I miss shots regularly because of that, for example birds surfacing with a fish in their mouth that they immediately swallow. (Some fish, like Perch, have spines and need a little alignment pre-swallow, which is a plus with birds that would usually swallow a fish underwater and just surface looking smug.)
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And if you consider the lenses available Leica would be hard to justify. I use my cameras for wildlife photography. I guess you have to get the Sigma 60-600 for long reach and the Sony equivalent would be 200-600. I love to see these two lenses compared.
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I'll never get that Leica world. Wondering what is so interesting for Panasonic on this weird contract. If they stopped to provide them the cameras it would be over, no one can design and develop a digital camera in Europe.
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A friend of mine works at Leica Camera, and I wouldn't go so far as say that Leica is not capable of developing digital cameras in Europe, at least no less than, say, Nikon, or Apple regarding their products. The problem is that it would make products even more expensive. As far as I know, the Leica M11 is not a repackaged something-else but look at the price.
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Given all the digital camera are developed in Japan nowadays I don't think Europe is able to develop anything. Nothing is made here, everything is imported.
Leica M is a manual focus camera only. AF needs much more CPU power and research I don't think Leica is even capable.
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@Arcimboldo look at the M11's price and problems. I went through three of them with freezing and many other bugs that drove me nuts. I am not sure how adept Leica is at put together electronics. I have owned 15 different Leica cameras since 2019 and cannot remember one camera that didn't have electronic hiccups.
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@eliehbk Freezing sounds more like a software problem, but your point of course remains. I once had an M6, together with 35/1.4 ASPH, 50/1.4, and 90/2 ASPH. The 90/2's focus coupling was miscalibrated, and Leica wouldn't believe me after checking, and when they finally did and fixed it, the lens came back scratched. After I complained and got a refund, I immediately sold the rest and stuck with my Ebony, as far as film-based cameras go. But all that is anecdotal and was in 2001, and I really thought that things got a bit better with Andreas Kaufmann. But admittedly, I never had an M11 - I think focussing with a rangefinder on a 60 MP sensor is asking for trouble.
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3 months agopermalink
Red 'R' vs red dot..... FIGHTERS FIGHT!
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I'm sure a lot of people complaining about the price of the Leica bought themselves a $1500 iPhone that cost Apple $500 to make.
At least the LEICA was made by German or Portuguese craftsmen under fair working conditions - unlike the iPhone, which was made in the totalitarian, unjust state of China by people at the bottom of the economic food chain.
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Well, principally, you are right, of course. But since that is a comparison between the A7RV and the SL3, I would concede that my A7RV is "Made in Thailand", which is not China. I don't know much about the working conditions in Thailand, but I think standards and salaries are lower than in Europe.
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I see your points. I still think a lot of the value creation ot the LEICA happens in Europe, but of course you are right pointing out that the electronics are from asia.
My focus was on the willingness of customers to pay a higher premium for a LEICA.
As a photographic tool, the SONY clearly offers more bang for the buck.
That said, I can relate to people paying the premium for the LEICA for the aforementioned reasons. I brought up APPOLE because I can't relate to people paying the premium for Apple products.
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they are computers with a sensor and a shutter - hardly the need for "craftsmen" , these are not fully mechanical rangefinder film cameras by a long mark and as Puppy said, the electronics will be made in asia somewhere ........ If you like L mount and want 60Mp , wait for the pan S1R Mk2 , it`ll be a far better SL3 for half the price .
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3 months agopermalink
There is an old saying: "There are no bad products, there are only bad prices."
Looking from that perspective, the SL3 has barely any photographic advantages over the A7rV, but costs almost twice as much:4000 vs 7000 $.
Scrubbing through the comments section, I have seen quite a few comments making an analogy with a sports car: You are paying for these extra horse powers in the Ferrari Testarossa vs. a Toyota Prius although both are going to bring you to the Walmart next corner just as quickly. However, I don't think that this analogy is correct: The SL3 does neither have those extra horse powers (DR, IQ, speed, AF, ease of operation) nor does it have these foxy looks that will make everybody turn their heads.
The price difference is only justifiable if the SL3 has a much higher (twice as high) reselling value than the Sony camera. Then it would be a great collectors and trading item.
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Great points. I liken Leica to an Aston Martin body with a Mustang engine… Sony is all Corvette. Each are overachievers depending on the the consumers desired… er… consumption. If aesthetics take 1st chair, then Leica may warrant the proffered price tag, otherwise Sony takes the checkered-flag crown.
Would love to see Sony come out with a “Stingray” retro camera to challenge the ZF and Fuji worlds.
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Indeed, to my knowledge, Sony had bought Minolta, so - in theory - they could indeed use some nice old Minolta designs.
For example, the gorgeous Minolta CLE would be a terrific design reference for a "retro" design by Sony.
https://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/images/cle/D3S_6466-1200.jpg
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3 months agopermalink
You buy a Leica because you want a Leica.
I will never buy Leica. If i get as gift i'll sell it asap.
My dream camera is X-T40 with the autofocus same as Sony!
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LEICA must believe there is a market for the SL3 at 7.000 dollars. Like FUJIFILM X100V1 as type of LEICA rangefinder. For higher prices try FUJIFILM X100V1 Limited Edition at 18.000 dollars on eBay. Cameras becoming desired objects of art like Swiss watches for the more affluent in society? Evidently LEICA believes there is a market for the SL3 in US China and Japan. Europeans may prefer Leica classics like M or Q3 at only 6.000 dollars? Name your price?
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Speak for yourself TELETORN.
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@ms18 In the days of film, I always wanted a Leica M. With digital no interest in Leica at all.
I downsized to an Olympus OM-D E-M5 II and perfectly happy with that. I take pictures and do not need all this technology for gullible buyers. Not that I am saying they all are. 0.5% may actually need and use some of the more exotic features.
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TELETORN Be nice
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What's the best camera for travel? Good travel cameras should be small, versatile, and offer good image quality. In this buying guide we've rounded-up several great cameras for travel and recommended the best.
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If you want a compact camera that produces great quality photos without the hassle of changing lenses, there are plenty of choices available for every budget. Read on to find out which portable enthusiast compacts are our favorites.
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'What's the best mirrorless camera?' We're glad you asked.
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Above $2500 cameras tend to become increasingly specialized, making it difficult to select a 'best' option. We case our eye over the options costing more than $2500 but less than $4000, to find the best all-rounder.
