How are goths and emos defined? (2024)

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By Mark Sedgwick

BBC News

Police in Manchester have begun recording attacks on members of sub-cultures, such as goths, emos and punks, as hate crimes. But how do you define and protect these groups?

The problem of hate crimes against sub-cultures has been of mounting concern since the murder of Sophie Lancaster in 2007.

The student and her boyfriend were set upon by a gang of teenagers in a park. The victims were targeted because they were goths.

Previously, assaults have only been recorded as hate crimes when involving race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity.

These groups can usually be demarcated relatively clearly, but is it more difficult to identify what makes someone a goth, emo or punk?

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a goth as "a performer or fan of [goth] music, or anyone who adopts a similar appearance, typically through the use of dark eye make-up and pale skin colouring, dark clothes, and bulky metallic jewellery".

Goth.net, one of the most active forums on goth culture, acknowledges the role of dark clothing but rejects the notion that goths have the same musical and fashion tastes. Central to their definition is "free-thinking and rejection of dogma".

The OED's definition of emo is purely musical: "derived from hardcore punk music and characterised by emotional, usually introspective lyrics".

While people might have certain assumptions about the way emos dress, precise delineations are not clear. They often dress similarly to goths, but the emo fashion for spiky, coloured hair and studded clothing seems to show punk influences.

One thing that is clear from the way emos and goths choose to define themselves is that a single definition does not exist.

Emo and goth identity is discussed in detail among both communities online. Many goths and emos feel sidelined by mainstream society and see their goth or emo identity as a way to express this.

Debates rage among the online communities about what music and fashion is or is not goth or emo, but all see it as an effective way of expressing themselves. It creates a sense of community and feeling that they belong.

"They are not easy groups to define," says Paul Hodkinson, a goth himself and a sociologist at the University of Surrey, who specialises in youth subcultures.

"Goths and emos are in some ways quite similar - they both centre upon dark themes and wear dark colours and often eyeliner. The goth style draws on horror imagery, and both sexes often favour a 'feminine' style."

Emos are sometimes seen as a younger offshoot of the Goth scene, Hodkinson suggests, though emo also has connections to hardcore punk.

Greater Manchester Police named goths, punks, emos and metallers as people of an "alternative sub-culture identity" in their definition of hate crimes.

The problem of violence and discrimination has existed for some time, says Alex Milas, editor of Metal Hammer, a metal music magazine.

"Many stereotypes have been broken down over recent years. This is an acknowledgment that we do exist as a group of people, there is a problem, and we are victims of harassment and violence."

"Identification causes problems, however. I have long hair and like metal music, but have no facial piercings. Am I 'metal' enough to be protected?"

Like other hate crimes, what has taken place is largely defined by the victim. If the victim says they are an emo, and believes they were victimised because of it, Manchester police would treat it as a hate crime.

Where police have not been able to establish a crime was committed, they can record a lesser "hate incident".

"Self-definition is the only viable option available," says Jon Garland, a criminologist at the University of Surrey, who specialises in hate crimes. "However, it still leaves the question of who counts as alternative and who doesn't. Skaters are a group that probably should be recognised. They are often victims of these kinds of attacks, but it is not clear if they are included."

The police need to know how to spot a goth or an emo if they are to be able to properly protect them from attacks, but they are aware that their definitions must remain adaptable.

Of course, there will be plenty of people who recognise themselves as being in some sort of sub-culture but believe that identifying individuals using a checklist is impossible.

Having a list of protected groups also risks excluding people for whom the difference in their appearance - like skaters - may be less obvious, but who still need some sort of protection.

Lucy Robinson, a historian at the University of Sussex specialising in identity politics, argues that young people have moved away from narrow concepts of identity and tend to have "a collection of varied cultural identities".

"A lot of the issues are about power, not identity. The clothing and style of goths and emos challenge traditional gender roles and perceptions of female beauty. The attacks on them involve issues such as misogyny, hom*ophobia and class prejudices."

Ultimately, many goths and emos will feel that whatever the complications of identifying vulnerable groups, even acknowledging the problem is a step in the right direction.

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How are goths and emos defined? (2024)

FAQs

How are goths and emos defined? ›

Emo rockers are culturally critiques of society based on punk philosophy, post-punk, and other movements in art, music, literature, etc. Goth rockers, on the other hand, have a wide eyed and irrational approach and often are known for their inquiry into the nature of death, fantasy and fiction.

What classifies you as goth? ›

It is stereotyped as eerie, mysterious, complex and exotic. A dark, sometimes morbid fashion and style of dress, typical gothic fashion includes colored black hair and black period-styled clothing. Both male and female goths can wear dark eyeliner and dark fingernail polish, most especially black.

Are Goth and emo people the same? ›

The goth style draws on horror imagery, and both sexes often favour a 'feminine' style." Emos are sometimes seen as a younger offshoot of the Goth scene, Hodkinson suggests, though emo also has connections to hardcore punk.

How do you know if you are emo or goth? ›

Emos often dress similarly to Goths, but the Emos fashion for spiky, colored hair and studded clothing seems to show punk influences. Emos are all about the person who is overly sensitive and full of angst and Goths are different.

What's the difference between Goth and emo aesthetic? ›

The Key Differences Between Goth vs Emo

Style influences – gothic clothing takes inspiration from Victorian fashion and punk style, whereas emo clothing is much more pedestrian and accessible by the mainstream.

Why do goths wear crosses? ›

The Meaning Behind Gothic Crosses

Many like to wear a Gothic style cross to show that they are part of the Gothic lifestyle, and to show that they believe in Satan or the occult. The crosses seen in jewelry designs come from Germanic culture and depending on the position and style can mean different things.

What are the characteristics of an emo person? ›

An emo person tends to be quiet, introspective or shy, and can be creative. They spend time alone or with people who share their interests listening to music or making emo-influenced art. They have deep emotions but aren't always only angry or sad.

Is Wednesday Addams emo or goth? ›

Wednesday Addams is a fictional character from The Addams Family dark comedy franchise. Like other characters in her family, she's known for her spooky personality and Gothic appearance.

What is emo short for? ›

Short for “emotive” or “emotional” (depending on whom you ask), emo being amorphous enrages those loyal to their version. But in the ever-mutating virus we know as American pop culture, them's the facts.

What are goths called now? ›

Simple as - the name of the goth subculture hasn't changed. It's still the goth subculture, and its members are still called goths and they still listen to gothic rock [that has a couple of different names - goth rock, or goth], and other genres such as post-punk, ethereal, dark wave, gothic metal/goth metal.

What does a female emo look like? ›

Look for prints like polka dots, plaid or a checkered design. Look for 70's style jackets. Those are very popular amongst emo girls, and they go with everything from jeans to dresses. Also look for 50's style vintage dresses, especially halter dresses or dresses in an A-line cut.

Can you be emo and not look emo? ›

No, you do not have to have any sort of appearance to be emo. It's a personality and musical taste thing. I am emo and I don't dress or look like the stereotype of emo at all but that doesn't mean I'm not emo, it just means I don't dress like that.

How do I know if my daughter is emo? ›

Emo Is A Form Of Expression

They include wearing black, having fringed hairstyles, dark eyeliner and nail polish, and a desire to listen to songs about "self-loathing, insecurity and failed romance."

Can you be both goth and emo? ›

Yes, they can. Goth has no set religion/beliefs.

What styles are similar to emo and goth? ›

Alternative fashion includes the fashions of specific subcultures such as emo, scene, goth subculture, hip hop, cyberpunk, kawaii, cottagecore, goblincore, 70's core, and Lolita fashion; however, it is not limited to these.

How do I know if I'm goth? ›

All Goths wear black all the time. Traditional goths did typically tend to wear all black outfits, but as the subculture has grown off-shoots and outgrowths such as romantic goth, deathrock, and the deathrock revival, different types of colours have been added into the style.

Why do Goths like purple? ›

Purple. Second only to red, purple is right up there on the Gothic colour spectrum. Purple combines the energy and strength from the colour red, with spirituality and integrity from the colour blue. Purple calls for creative doings and seeks inspiration and originality through its creative efforts.

What do Goths smoke? ›

Why do goths smoke cloves? Clove cigarettes are dramatic and a little more rustic than Marlboro 27s. Smoking cloves makes one feel more like a witch than your average nicotine addict.

Why don't goths wear gold? ›

Traditional gold is not welcome because of its yellow color. This is because yellow metal is associated with the sun and Goths worship the moon. Therefore, their collections are bristling with moon-colored Gothic accessories crafted fromsilver, stainless steel, and other 'white' alloys.

What are common emo stereotypes? ›

Emo has been associated with a stereotype of emotion, sensitivity, shyness, introversion or angst. More controversially, stereotypes surrounding the genre included depression, self-harm and suicide, in part stoked by depictions of emo fans as a "cult" by British tabloid Daily Mail.

What is the stereotype of emo? ›

The common stereotype of an emo follower is someone who is overly emotional or angsty, although as with all stereotypes, there are many exceptions. Emos are often ostracized, and research has shown that this group is subject to an increased risk of hom*ophobic attacks and bullying due to their “effeminate” look[2].

What is a romantic Goth? ›

Romantic Goth is a Goth style influenced by the fashion of the Romantic Era (1800-1850) as well as Gothic literature and modern goth styles. Romantic Goth embraces a dark LARP influenced fashion, and is distinctly different from the other softer types of Goth culture (particularly Woodland Goth).

Which came first Goth or Emo? ›

History. The first waves of Emo started in 1985 when veterans of the music scene in Washington decided to break away a form a new genre of music. Goth finds its origins in the 1970's from English Punk rock.

What does Goth aesthetic mean? ›

The Goth subculture that emerged from the post-punk music scene was characterized by a love for the occult and a certain dark fashion aesthetic wearing black clothing, black nail polish and lipstick, dramatic makeup and dyed hair.

How do you dress like an emo girl? ›

Emo fans form a subculture with a very specific way of dressing — a moody, all-black, edgy style with lots of leather and silver accents in the form of studs, chains, or piercings.

Why do people call people emo? ›

Teenagers use this slang term to characterize sensitive kids who follow emo music, dress in black, and have self-destructive tendencies. The slang term is derived from fans of emotive hardcore punk rock. A variation is screamo, emo music punctuated with ear-splitting screams.

Is it OK to be called emo? ›

It is used as an insult because of the way emos tend to look, or because of the stereotypes involved in being emo, such as self harming, hating life, etc. It really is not an insult, it is just that many take it as one. People hate alternative people. some find it offensive.

Is Evanescence emo or goth? ›

Evanescence
OriginLittle Rock, Arkansas, U.S.
GenresAlternative metal gothic rock gothic metal hard rock symphonic metal nu metal (early)
Years active1995–present
LabelsWind-up Concord Bicycle BMG
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What is a 90s goth called? ›

Mall goths (also known as spooky kids) are a subculture that began in the late-1990s in the United States.

What is a modern goth? ›

Modern Gothic, also known as Reformed Gothic, was an Aesthetic Movement style of the 1860s and 1870s in architecture, furniture and decorative arts, that was popular in Great Britain and the United States.

How to be emo but cute? ›

Emo kids usually wear form-fitting bottoms in dark colors or patterns. Skinny jeans or tight-fitting skirts are both popular options, especially when decorated with chains or buckles. Pair black jeans, for example, with a Saves The Day T-shirt and Converse shoes. Boot-cut jeans are popular in Midwestern emo fashion.

What are emo girls attracted to? ›

Emo girls would rather date a shy and modest quiet guy than a loud and obnoxious guy who everyone thinks is so cool. Don't avoid her. Sometimes if you like a girl, you feel shy towards her. It's okay to feel shy, but don't avoid an interest, as you might miss out on an opportunity.

Is Egirl a type of emo? ›

The terms egirls and eboys are slang terms for young women and men, respectively, who are active internet users, often stereotyped as emo-styled anime and gaming fans trying to get attention on social media.

Am I emo if I'm depressed? ›

Psychological constellation of an EMO can be defined through some dominant features: depression, anxiety, introversion and sensitivity. Also, they can have a tendency to victimize themselves, searching with flavor the tragic parts of life.

How do Goths dress? ›

Goth fashion can be recognized by its stark black clothing. Ted Polhemus described goth fashion as a "profusion of black velvets, lace, fishnets and leather tinged with scarlet or purple, accessorized with tightly laced corsets, gloves, precarious stilettos and silver jewelry depicting religious or occult themes".

Do emo girls have blonde hair? ›

Emo hair is usually characterized by choppy layers, black or blonde hair with bright colors, and side-swept bangs. Check out some different looks, then visit a salon or cut your hair at home to show off your emo style!

What age is your emo phase? ›

The science behind the phase: The time when most kids go through their emo phase — 14 to 18 years old — also happens to be the developmental stage where we formulate our tastes in music.

What do emo kids act like? ›

An emo kid is typically sensitive and thoughtful as well as being quiet and introspective. They tend to keep to themselves and rarely interacts with anyone not a part of the emo scene.

Can emos wear leggings? ›

You can wear anything you want, whatever makes you feel comfortable and good about yourself. Emo is just a genre of music and there's no dress code, be yourself!

Can goths be straight? ›

Sexual orientations that are otherwise unknown or shunned, such as bisexuality and asexuality, are also widely accepted within goth subculture. Men are allowed to look like women, women are allowed to look like men, and those who don't identify as either, are simply allowed to be.

What is bubble goth? ›

Bubble Goth is a type of gothic-inspired fashion that was recently created by the Estonian pop singer, Kerli Koiv. She aims to "make the beautiful, creepy and the creepy, beautiful", something that "takes light and dark and puts them together".

What is a cute goth style called? ›

Pastel Goth (not to be confused with Gurokawa or Nu-Goth) is a fashion that is a result of mixing goth or grunge with the sweet pastel elements of the kawaii aesthetic, but also a touch of bohemian chic.

What are emo pants called? ›

Other names for this style include drainpipes, stovepipes, tight pants, cigarette pants, pencil pants, skinny pants, "gas pipes", or skinnies.

What does it mean to be called emo? ›

a person who is overly sensitive or emotional.

How does a goth girl act? ›

The gothic personality is usually associated with a strong sense of individualism and an appreciation of the darker side of life, the supernatural, mysterious beauty, dark aesthetics, art, emotion, mystery, and drama.

Does goth have to be all black? ›

Goth is dark, and “dark” isn't necessarily the same as “all-black-all-the-time.” Lots of colors pair well with black. Goths are especially fans of jewel tones, white, and silver, but some Goth aesthetics contain little or no black.

How do you tell if your child is a goth? ›

Here are some signs:
  1. They Love Spooky Stuff. Shutterstock. ...
  2. They're Dramatic. ...
  3. They May Be Low-Key Obsessed With Death. ...
  4. Their Costume Game Is On Point. ...
  5. They're Imaginative. ...
  6. They Don't Scare Easily. ...
  7. Their Emotions Are Big. ...
  8. Their Toys Aren't Necessarily Typical.
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Can I call myself goth? ›

If you understand the subculture for what it is (without making your own definition of goth being a “spiritual ethnicity” or a “personality”) and you like the music then you're fine. You can like more than just goth music and still consider yourself a goth.

Can you be goth without looking it? ›

Since goth is a music-based subculture, all one really needs to do to be classified as goth by modern standards is listen to the music and immerse themselves into macabre aesthetics that goth is all about. No goth has to dress up, but we do anyways, to further show our love for the subculture.

What are the characteristics of goth style? ›

Classic Elements

While the Gothic style can vary according to location, age, and type of building, it is often characterized by 5 key architectural elements: large stained glass windows, pointed arches, rib vaults, flying buttresses, and ornate decoration.

What is soft goth? ›

The traditional goth look is usually synonymous with a lot of black—think dark clothes and makeup that are heavily contrasted against a pale complexion and plenty of metallic accessories. The soft goth aesthetic, by comparison, scales back in intensity—just look to Miss Mid-Week for a little inspiration.

Can you be goth and happy? ›

Can goths be happy? They not only can, they often are! In fact, goths are some of the happier rock fans one might meet.

Can you be goth and not dress goth? ›

Being goth does not mean just dressing up in dark clothing, listening to alternative rock music or wearing black lipstick. Being goth means supporting and following the goth ideology, taking inspiration from and resonating with gothic rock and of course, looking the part!

Can goths be black? ›

Goth subculture is largely associated with whiteness, but Black goths, also known as “Afrogoths,” are pushing back on that perception—first, with their presence in the community, and secondly, by challenging the dominant Eurocentric history and aesthetics within it.

What is cute goth called? ›

Pastel Goth (not to be confused with Gurokawa or Nu-Goth) is a fashion that is a result of mixing goth or grunge with the sweet pastel elements of the kawaii aesthetic, but also a touch of bohemian chic.

Why do goths wear rosaries? ›

In the late '70s, rosaries made an appearance in both goth and punk subcultures. Goths and punks often wore rosary beads as a rejection of conservatism, and sometimes as a way to critique the stranglehold that puritanical values held on American and British culture.

Why do goths dress the way they do? ›

Many Goths explain that they feel hemmed in by society's rules and feel stifled as free thinkers. In line with the literary genre (19th century Gothic) that inspired the name, Goth teenagers tend to dress in Victorian-era clothing and use makeup to attain a pale and mysterious look.

Can goths wear whatever they want? ›

it's understandable that you'd think that because black is the staple colour of goth. You can really dress however you want since there's no dress code to follow.

What are 4 characteristics of gothic? ›

There are four main aspects that help categorize a novel as Gothic. These characteristics include a gloomy setting, specific character types, themes revolving around terror, horror, justice, and revenge, and the concept of good and evil.

Are goths peaceful? ›

There is no subculture that owns self harm or drugs, and goths are typically peaceful in nature, they don't like destructive acts.

What is a romantic goth? ›

Romantic Goth is a Goth style influenced by the fashion of the Romantic Era (1800-1850) as well as Gothic literature and modern goth styles. Romantic Goth embraces a dark LARP influenced fashion, and is distinctly different from the other softer types of Goth culture (particularly Woodland Goth).

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